Authors: Herman Koch
“All the other windows have been covered with newspapers,” Herman said. “So then you've got a number of possibilities. Either the students have no way of going back and really have to hurt the teacher in order to maintain their credibility, or else the blindfolded teacher is the signal for the army to rush the building. The revolt is brutally crushed.”
And at that point Stella stood up and stretched.
“I think I'll go upstairs,” she said. “Are you coming up too?” she said to Herman.
“I was thinkingâ¦,” Herman began, but then fell silent.
“What?” Stella said.
“Shall weâ¦I don't know⦔ He stood up, he didn't look at Stella. “I actually feel more like taking an evening stroll. Just the two of us.”
“I just wanted to tell you,” you beginâbut you stop as a truck turns into our street with rumbling motor and screeching brakes, making further conversation impossible. As we wait for the truck to passâthe white walls of its closed bed are decorated with blue letters: the name of a moving company, a cell-phone number and a websiteâI look at your face.
We're standing on the corner by the garbage containers; I had just dropped a bag into one of them, and when I straightened up, suddenly you were standing there. What started as a fretful look, as though you were trying to recall who I was, now made way for something probably meant to look awkward or shy. It doesn't suit you particularly well, an awkward or shy look, it's as though all the muscles in your face struggle against itâbut maybe it's the first time they've ever tried it, and they just don't know exactly how.
Huffing and hissing, the moving van comes to a halt in front of the café across the street; two men in blue jeans and white T-shirts, also printed in blue letters with the name of the moving company, hop out of the cab and pull open the back doors of the truck.
“I wanted to thank you,” you say.
I raise my eyebrows and wipe my hands on the back of my jeans. I could ask what you want to thank me for, or I could skip that and show right away that I know what you mean.
“Oh, that was nothing,” I say, choosing the latter.
Anyone else would have done the same.
But I don't say that. Besides, it's not true. Anyone else would have done something different. No, that's not true either: anyone else would in any case never have done what I did
for those reasons.
For the moment there's nothing else left to say, so we both look at the moving van in front of the café, where the two movers have now gone inside.
“No, really,” you say. “You wouldn't have had to. My wife is very grateful. And so am I.”
The men come back out with a pile of chairs.
“One time you would go in there and they wouldn't have any milk, the next time it would take them half an hour to bring you your beer,” I say, “by which time, of course, the head on it had gone completely flat. But that they'd go out of business
this
quickly, I never expected that.”
“I've been thinking,” you say. “About what you asked me last week. Last Saturday. At the library.”
“You said you don't give interviews anymore. Almost no interviews. Or only by rare exception.”
“That's right. But I'm prepared to make an exception. For you. What was it again, what did you say it was for?”
“For⦔ I suddenly can't remember what I said at the library.
For a website?
Could be, but I really can't remember. “As part of a series,” I say. “A series in which writersâ”
“Would next Tuesday be all right for you?” you interrupt.
“Tuesday? Tuesday's fine.”
“It's a date. We're going to H. again for a few days, but we'll be back by Monday at the latest. Tuesday's the annual Book Ball at the theater. We don't have to be there till nine. So if you could come by around five⦔
We're in your study: a plain desk, an expensive office chair and bookcasesâyour wife just brought us some tea and cookies.
Are you dreading the gala this evening?
“Yes and no. I feel a certain reticence, but that always goes away as soon as I'm past the red carpet. Aren't you going to record this?”
No, that won't be necessary.
“But you're not taking notes either.”
No.
“You'll be able to remember everything?”
Probably not. But that doesn't matter. It's about the information as a whole. Didn't you once say: “A writer shouldn't want to remember everything, it's much more important to be able to forget”?
“By that, I mostly meant that you need to be able to separate the useful memories from the useless ones. It's handy if your memory does that for you. But it almost never works that way. We remember things that are no good to us. Phone numbers. I once read somewhere that when we memorize phone numbers we're misusing our memory. Phone numbers can be written down. After that we're allowed to forget them. And that we should use the space then freed in our memories for more important recollections.”
Do you need evenings like this evening?
“What do you mean?”
I mean, are they indispensible? Or could you, for example, just as well stay at home?
“No, not indispensible, certainly not. As I said, they're a part of the whole thing. You see a few friends. You talk to colleagues you never see anywhere but there. Once a year. And if you go, you have less to explain than if you don't.”
You mention friends and colleagues. Does that exist, friendship among writers? Or do they mostly remain just colleagues?
“Among writers I have more colleagues than friends, if that's what you mean. A few of those colleagues also happen to be very good friends.”
“Happen to be,” you say. Does that mean that being colleagues makes it difficult to be friends?
“No, on the contrary. If you ask me, you can be good friends with a colleague whose books you don't particularly enjoy reading. And the other way around too: that a writer you think is good turns out to have an intolerable personality in real life.”
Is that a hard-and-fast rule?
“A rule? How am I to see that?”
You should see it in the sense that perhaps it's always that way. That friendships can exist only between writers who find each other's work fairly ho-hum. That you can never be friends with a colleague who is more or less your equal, who writes books that stand comparison to yours. Let alone with a colleague who is better than you.
“Jealousy exists. Envy. Why do I sell much less than colleague R? Why does L always come in right at the top of the bestseller list? I mean, these days it's no longer such a circus for me when it comes to sales figures, but back in the days when I wrote the occasional bestseller, I felt as though I needed to apologize all the time. Sorry, my book is selling well. There are people who want to read my books. I'm so sorry. Next time I'll try to write something no one wants to read.”
Among women, among girls, one often sees that a pretty girl chooses a very unremarkable girl as her best friend. Not an ugly girl, no, an unremarkable girl. The unremarkable girl's function is to cast her pretty friend's beauty into even sharper relief. At the disco, it's immediately clear that the pretty girl will get the pretty boy and the unremarkable girl will get the nerd. Is it that way with friendships between writers? That the successful writer, for example, surrounds himself with less successful writers? As “friends”?
“That's a striking comparison you make there. It could very well be. One does, indeed, rarely see two beautiful women who are best friends. That's too much competition.”
Take your colleague N, for example.
“What about colleague N?”
At this moment, he's your most direct competitor. In your age category, perhaps your only competitor.
“You're right, he suffers from no lack of attention. Completely deserved, by the way. I should say that right away.
The Garden of Psalms
is also, without a doubt, his best book.”
Do you really think so?
“Well, let me put it differently.
People
consider it his best book. The critics. My own taste is different, but he is good in his own way. I see that too.”
But you don't wish you'd written it yourself?
“No, no, not at all. I mean, however good it may be, I find the styleâ¦the subject matter, how shall I put itâ¦a bit too
easy.
And that title. Why not call things by their name?”
Would you have had a better idea for the title?
“Not right off the bat. I mean, I'd have to think about it. But
The Garden of Psalms
â¦I don't know, it's as though the title was already there before N used it. That's not good.”
N recently changed publishers.
“Really?”
He hasn't done badly by the switch at all.
“But the important thing is the book itself, first and foremost. If the book's no good, all those posters around town won't help.”
Do you really believe that? You sound a bit like your own publisher. “The book's the thing,” isn't that what he always says? But do you believe that as well?
“Quality will always win out, I'm convinced of that. A good book can get by without posters or an author who speaks so glibly on all kinds of talk shows.”
But isn't it also the times that are changing? Isn't “the book's the thing” just another way of saying, “in any case, we're not going to push it”?
“In the days when my books were still being bought and read widely, at least, that wasn't necessary.”
You're referring to
Payback
?
“
Payback
was the first big success, but a few of the other books that followed didn't do badly either.
The Hour of the Dog
⦔
But these days it's all subsided a bit, right?
Liberation Year,
of course, is still “the new M.” But do you mind my asking how many print runs it's had till now?
“There's a new one coming up. But you should also know that the first print run was quite large.”
What kind of numbers are we talking about here?
“I'd have to ask for the exact figures. But they're the kind of figures a debuting author could only dream of.”
Until recently, you and your colleague N had the same publisher.
“That's correct.”
In the interviews about his new book, N wasn't very complimentary about his former publisher.
“We found that rather bad form too. By âwe' I mean the collective authors. That kind of thing is simply not done. It's the kind of âkick them when they're down' tactic one usually sees only on the soccer pitch.”
But was he right?
“About what?”
Was he right to say that his former publisher, and now your publisher alone, has lost all contact with reality?
“He still has a very impressive list. One author who runs off can't change that.”
But they're all authors who are closer to the grave than to the cradle, if I may put it that way.
“Age is not a factor here. There are plenty of examples of writers who only really blossom at an advanced age.”
Do you count yourself among those? Do you feel that your best work is yet to come?
“I never think that way. I go from book to book. If I knew that I had already written my best work, I could just as well stop right now.”
But meanwhile, the sales of N's latest book are astronomical.
“That's true, and I'm happy for him. I sincerely mean that.”
Do you ever dream about that, that one of your books might take the bestseller lists by storm?
“The answer to that is the same as my earlier one. As to whether my best work is yet to come. I don't worry about bestseller lists. No self-respecting author should.”
Let's talk about
Payback.
Your most successful book to date. Do you also consider it your best book?
“No, definitely not. People ask me that sometimes. But I wrote better books before that, and afterward, too, if you ask me.
Payback
took on a life of its own. Apparently, I struck a chord somewhere. An open nerve.”
And which chord was that, in your opinion?
“A writer should never try to analyze his own work too deeply in retrospect. That can be crippling. Overly deep analyses by others can be fatal too. Sartre needed a whole book to interpret Jean Genet's work. After that, Genet never wrote another word. But all right, it was a long time ago, so I'll try to answer you. Even though I believe I've formulated that answer before this, so please don't expect anything earthshaking.”
An “open nerve,” you said. I've never heard you say that before. Personally, I find that much more evocative than a “chord.”
“The particulars were well known. Everyone was shocked by that affair. Two young peopleâstill children, reallyâdo away with a teacher. Or at least make him disappear. No body was ever found. I remember it so well, the newspapers of course weren't allowed to publish pictures of the culprits. To protect their privacy. But a couple of magazines did anyway. We saw their faces. A school picture. That girl with the long black hair. The boy with his blond curls. Not exactly two killers you would pick out of a lineup later on. Pick out of a lineup
in retrospect.
On the contrary. The girl was absolutely the prettiest girl in the class. But I looked hardest at the boy. He wasn't bad-looking either, maybe even more handsome than most of the other boys in the picture. But then handsome in a way not all girls like. I can't recall exactly what it was. A face that was a little too thin, a slender body. Gawky. What happens with a boy like that when the prettiest girl in the class chooses
him
? I asked myself. I saw a story in it right away. Just a story at first, then later it become a complete book. Did he do it for
her
? That was what I asked myself. That was the question I would try to answer by writing the story.”
But that wasn't the nerve.
“No, the nerve was how recognizable it was. Every parent's nightmare. Children who look normal in a school picture may turn out to be killers. And not just the parents' nightmare. Also for their own age group. It's still one of the books read most often by high-school students. Could that boy or girl sitting beside me be a murderer? Does that nice neighbor, who always feeds the cats when we're on vacation, have his wife's chopped-up corpse in the freezer? They were normal children, the ones we saw in the school picture. Perhaps a little more than normal. A pretty girl, a handsome boy. Not losers.”
There was also someone else in that picture.
“You've seen it?”
It's on the Internet these days. A number of other pictures too. The little house in the snow. The teacher's car. The nature preserve where he might be buried.
“That's right, that teacher was also in the school picture. I cut it out of that magazine back then and hung it on the wall above my desk. Every day, before I started writing, I looked at that picture for a few minutes. It was taken a couple of months before the murder, that's what made it so trenchant.
There they are,
I thought each morning.
There's the victim, and there are his killers. In one and the same classroom. He still doesn't know a thing. They don't know yet either.
At least, that was my assumption. That the idea came up only much later.”
But in your book the idea came up beforehand. And not just after the teacher came by the holiday home.
“It was difficult. I struggled with the motive. Or let me put it another way: I simply couldn't believe that they would have done it
just like that.
And of course,
just like that
wasn't interesting for a book. In dramatic terms. Dramatically speaking, a murder is better if it's planned beforehand.”
And do you still see it that way? What I mean is, did you actually believe in a murder that happened
just like that,
but decided that a murder like that wasn't dramatic enough for your book?
“That's an interesting question. I asked myself the same thing while I was writing it, and afterward too. Whether there really was a motive. That teacher had had an affair with the girl. She breaks it off, but he keeps bothering her. He goes to find her at the holiday home where she's staying with her new boyfriend. Motives aplenty, you might say. An adultâan adult in a position of powerâimposes himself on a couple of minors. They could have reported him to the police. Maybe that wouldn't have helped much, but the teacher would have been fired at the very least.”
But these days, do you believe a bit more in the
just like that
theory? In the lack of a motive?
“There are any number of classic situations in which the balance of power is out of kilter right from the start. In which the stupid ones sometimes have more power than the intelligent ones. The few intelligent ones, I should say. An army, a prison. A sergeant humiliates a recruit who's smarter than him. Guards torment a prisoner. At a high school, the balance of power is not so very different. A high-school teacher is not among the most intelligent of the species, and that's putting it very mildly. A physics teacher will hardly be the one to develop a new theory of relativity. Generally speaking, they're sort of stuck in the middle. Lame and frustrated. You can keep that up for a few years with empty talk about idealism and the transfer of knowledge to coming generations, but in the long run a frustrated intelligence like that devours itself from the inside out. Teachers don't stick around long enough to get old. That has nothing to do with their ability or inability to maintain order. Day in, day out, they stand in front of a classroom full of intelligences just as mediocre as their own. In principle, things can go on that way for years. But every year there are also a few people in the class who are more intelligent than them. They can't handle that. Just like a soccer trainer who was once a mediocre player himself, teachers will try to frustrate an intelligent student wherever and whenever they can. The soccer trainer makes his best player sit on the bench. The teacher can't give low grades to the student who's smarter than him. That student already gets those. Only mediocre, hardworking students get good grades. The above-average intelligence is bored to death in high school. A C-plus is the best he can do. And so the frustrated teacher thwarts him in other ways.