Mavericks of the Mind: Conversations with Terence McKenna, Allen Ginsberg, Timothy Leary, John Lilly, Carolyn Mary Kleefeld, Laura Huxley, Robert Anton Wilson, and others…

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Mavericks of the Mind

“
When it was first published,
Mavericks of the Mind
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People who ask great questions and listen well are my heroes. And when they pose great questions and listen well to the greatest geniuses on the planet, and those geniuses respond with extravagant brilliance, they’re heroes who make my brain ecstatic. David Jay Brown and Rebecca McClen Novick are heroes like that.”

—
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Free Will Astrology
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The Televisionary Oracle

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Speaking as a professional interviewer myself, I can tell you that whenever you are lucky enough to have access to a really fine mind, you want to make sure that you’re on your ‘A game.’ David Jay Brown and Rebecca McClen Novick are uniquely well-suited to draw out the very best from their subjects, and Mavericks of the Mind represents the finest collection

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Richard Metzger, DangerousMinds.net

“…
a provocative collection of interviews with some of the most challenging thinkers in the Western world. Their statements may cajole you, infuriate you, or inspire you, but they will never bore you! Together, these interviews give the reader an uncanny glimpse as to the way that our reality may be heading.”

—
Stanley Krippner, Ph.D., co-author of
Dream Telepathy and Spiritual Dimensions of Healing

“
This is a fine collection of original thinkers, an important national resource. Everyone who wants to stay current with information from the outer perimeters of consciousness exploration should read it.”

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Some of the most important thinkers of our time speak in their own words to two brilliant interviewers. Anyone aspiring to understand the new millenium we are entering will have to read this book. Every page explodes like an intellectual firecracker. A first rate job!”

—
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Cosmic Trigger
and The
Illuminatus!
trilogy

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What distinguishes these ‘voices from the edge’ is their passionate self-actualization and their profound and strange contributions to our culture. Give a listen.”

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Alex Grey, artist and author of
Sacred Mirrors
and
Transfigurations

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Depending on how one chooses to view it, this aptly named book is either a potpourri of strange and wonderful ideas or a collection of far-fetched suppositions. …there will certainly be readers interested in this volume’s unique subject matter.”

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Library Journal

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David Jay Brown is the most compelling interviewer on this planet.”

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Me and the Biospheres

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—
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Media Virus
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Life Inc
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The great test of youthful ideas must be in how well they age and regenerate for future generations. In this volume two young people interview many of the outrageous luminaries of the 20th century Western ecstatic mystic community. This book provides evidence that a new flavor of spiritual tradition, completely compatible with science and technology, is being passed from one generation to the next. I feel this is a most vital project, and that it has been beautifully executed.”

—
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You Are Not a Gadget

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A provocative collection indeed!”

—
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The Aquarian Conspiracy
and editor of
Brain/Mind Bulletin

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In print or on the web, David Jay Brown supplies the right combination of thought and information. Frequently useful, always interesting…”

—
R.U. Sirius, editor
Mondo 2000
and author of
Counterculture Through the Ages

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Mavericks
of the
Mind:

Conversations with:

Terence McKenna

Allen Ginsberg

Timothy Leary

John Lilly

Carolyn Mary Kleefeld

Laura Huxley

Robert Anton Wilson

and others…

Interviews by

David Jay Brown & Rebecca McClen Novick

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Copyright © 1993, 2010, David Jay Brown & Rebecca McClen Novick

Mavericks of the Mind: Conversations with Terence McKenna, Allen Ginsberg, Timothy

Leary, John Lilly, Carolyn Mary Kleefeld, Laura Huxley, Robert Anton Wilson, Rupert

Sheldrake, Colin Wilson, Oscar Janiger, Nina Graboi, Laura Huxley, Stephen LaBerge

and Others… By David Jay Brown & Rebecca McClen Novick

ISBN: 0-89594-603-5; ISBN: 0-89594-601-7 First Edition;

ISBN: 978-0-9798622-5-0 Second Edition.

1. Consciousness, 2. Mind & Body,

I. Brown, David Jay, II. Novick, Rebecca McClen

Cover painting: “Dimensional Horizons” by Carolyn Mary Kleefeld

Book & cover design by Mark Plummer

100% of the profits from the sale

of this book will be devoted to

psychedelic psychotherapy research.

All rights reserved. No part of this work may be reproduced or transmitted

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To Our Mothers

Arleen

&

Noreen

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Contents

Acknowledgments ix

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Introduction to 2010 Edition

David Jay Brown 1

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Preface

Rebecca McClen Novick 9

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Introduction

David Jay Brown 11

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Mushrooms, Elves and Magic

Terence K. McKenna 18

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Raising the Chalice

Riane Eisler & David Loye 36

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Replicating Genes

Robert Trivers 68

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Faster than Faster than Light

Nick Herbert 84

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Chaos and Erodynamics

Ralph Abraham 108

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Firing the Cosmic Trigger

Robert Anton Wilson 132

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Cybernautics & Neuro-antics

Timothy Leary 152

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