Authors: Edeet Ravel
Novelist55: | Because of the authoritarianism. I mean it’s |
| all connected. You need that totally progres- |
| sive radical approach that Shomer had to |
| counteract the dangers of the collective … |
Nissim73: | I don’t know about that. I always felt the |
| adults were trying to emasculate us. This con- |
| cept they had back then, teaching us to obey |
| and also suffer a little along the way. |
Novelist55: | So you don’t think it’s related to being Shomer |
| or not … |
Nissim73: | I don’t know. Sometimes I visit another kib- |
| butz, it’s like walking into a movie set, it feels |
| so unreal. Even if you go to the same place ten |
| years later, it’s already a whole new story. |
Novelist55: | Just like no two families … |
Nissim73: | Except the happy ones, which don’t exist. |
Novelist55: | Still, Shomer had very progressive ideas |
| about kids, education, etc. |
Nissim73: | Didn’t you say Shoshana tied kids to the bed? |
Novelist55: | One kid. But she did it secretly. If they’d |
| known, they would have been shocked. They |
| still don’t know. One guy from Eldar won- |
| dered about something I said in an interview |
| and he asked me what I was referring to. |
| When I told him about Shoshana, he wrote |
| back |
| a warm, caring person |
Nissim73: | So what else is new … |
Novelist55: | But in Dror Shaul’s film everyone accepts that |
| Minder. Her policies are the policies of the |
| kibbutz. |
Nissim73: | Maybe. |
Novelist55: | Did you ever get hit? |
Nissim73: | Yes and no. |
Novelist55: | ? |
Nissim73: | We did have one Minder—a guy, actually. He |
| hit us all the time but he disguised it as play. |
| And the problem was that we liked him. And |
| we didn’t know how to think about his hitting. |
| I still see him sometimes, at demos. Anyhow, |
| he left the kibbutz. |
Novelist55: | There was someone at Eldar who did shmirat |
| leila [Night Guarding] who choked and slapped |
| babies. I mean, not everyone likes babies, not |
| everyone is nice or sane. You’re in your twen- |
| ties, you’re exhausted, the babies wake you up |
| for the sixth time, they’re not your kids, four |
| of them are shrieking at the same time—not |
| everyone is going to deal with that situation |
| the way they should. |
Nissim73: | How do you know? |
Novelist55: | Everyone knows when things happen to them. |
| What I can’t know is whether it was only the |
| once or more than once. And I’ll never know |
| who. Why does that surprise anyone? |
Nissim73: | It’s very disturbing. |
Novelist55: | Well, you don’t leave babies with random |
| strangers, it’s asking for trouble. Poor Edna, |
| she put so much into bringing us up and then |
| in one night someone undoes it all … Anyhow |
| we all survived. It’s very moving, in Children of |
| the Sun, how one woman says at the end that |
| when she visits her old kibbutz her feet enjoy |
| stepping on the ground—na’im li baragla’im |
| lidrokh. I love that phrase. |
Nissim73: | What are you wearing? |
Novelist55: | I always felt lucky that we grew up without |
| inhibitions. |
Nissim73: | That may be just you. |
Novelist55: | I guess I bought it all. I still don’t own any |
| clothes. |
Nissim73: | ? |
Novelist55: | I mean that I only have 5 or 6 items of cloth- |
| ing. I like seeing beautiful clothes on other |
| people but feel strange wearing anything but |
| jeans myself. |
Nissim73: | That’s definitely just you. |
Novelist55: | You mean I can’t blame everything on Eldar? |
Nissim73: | My parents are into having every latest gadget. |
Novelist55: | You mean the whole ascetic ethic is gone … |
Nissim73: | hold on a sec |
Nissim73: | ok I’m back, had to check something. |
Novelist55: | Rakefet’s novel made me realize something. |
| Taboos are there for a reason. They protect |
| the vulnerable. |
Nissim73: | What happened on her kibbutz, the pedo- |
| phile—that can happen anywhere. And people |
| can ignore it anywhere. |
Novelist55: | That’s true. Did you have a chance to ask your |
| aunt if she knows who that sleepy teacher was, |
| with the honey-coloured hair? I really liked her. |
| I think the early mornings were hard on her … |
Nissim73: | I keep forgetting. I don’t talk to her that often. |
Novelist55: | I’m trying to figure out how much I want to say |
| about Martin’s suicide/accident. |
Nissim73: | What happened exactly? |
Novelist55: | He was on guard duty, alone for some reason, |
| and he either shot himself or his Sten went off |
| by mistake, which apparently does happen. |
Nissim73: | Yes, it happened to someone on our base. Not |
| a Sten of course. |
Novelist55: | Poor guy. |
Nissim73: | Who, Martin or the guy on my base? |
Novelist55: | ! |
Nissim73: | Have you ever considered suicide? |
Novelist55: | No. Life always interested me too much. And |
| especially since I’ve had my daughter, there’s |
| nothing I want more than to look after her. It |
| makes me happy |
Novelist55: | just to buy her a new toothbrush … |
Nissim73: | Do you breathe down her neck? |
Novelist55: | I’m way too busy, Nissim. What about you? |
| You’re not planning to kill yourself I hope. |
Nissim73: | Are you kidding? And miss the next elections? |
Novelist55: | :) |
Nissim73: | You know about the murder-suicide at Ramat |
| Hakovesh? I think it was last year. |
Novelist55: | Is that a kibbutz? |
Nissim73: | Yes. I once went out with someone from there. |
| Anyhow, one old guy killed the manager and |
| then himself in an argument over money. Not |
| exactly money, but the whole privatization |
| process. |
Novelist55: | ? |
Nissim73: | A lot of kibbutzim are calling in outsiders to |
| manage the process and suddenly after being |
| in charge of your life for forty years and not |
| having to think about money, some stranger |
| is deciding what your job is worth, what your |
| pension should be. |
Nissim73: | So there’s huge resentment and conflict. The |
| transition is too radical. I can really under- |
| stand that guy. It’s cruel, the way it’s being |
| done in some places. A blogger said it’s |
| straight out of Orwell. I agree. |
Novelist55: | I keep finding out more and more. And I want |
| to include everything in my novel … I haven’t |
| even dealt with the whole communal sleeping |