Authors: Joan Smith
Joan Smith
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Transcript of live interview, World At One, BBC Radio 4, Monday, 21 July 1997
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Joan Smith
is a novelist, journalist and human rights campaigner. She is well-known for her columns in the
Independent, Evening Standard
and other newspapers, and appears regularly on radio and TV. She has advised the Foreign Office on promoting free expression, been judge of the Amnesty International media awards and is a patron of the National Secular Society. Her books include
Misogynies
and
Moralities,
as well as five crime novels.
The Big Interview:
This week model-turned-children's-champion Aisha Lincoln invites Diana Weisz into the Somerset house she calls her haven.
Husband Tim holds the fort while the raven-haired beauty sets off on her latest mission to help the underprivileged of the world.
DW | Aisha Lincoln, we're standing on the front lawn of your beautiful country home. How long have you lived here? |
AL | We came here, it must be about fifteen years ago, when the boys were tiny. We were down here for the weekend and we happened to drive past and see a for-sale sign. I fell in love with it straight away. |
DW | It's certainly a peaceful spot, and the coast is only a mile away. |
AL | (Laughs) Its not peaceful in the winter! I love walking on the beach on a November afternoon, when all the visitors have gone. When the children were young, I used to take them down to watch the waves crashing on the shore. I didn't want them to grow up with a sentimental view of nature. |
DW | You must miss all this when you're on your travels. It's a real English country garden, with trellises and climbing roses. When you announced your retirement from the catwalk, I think most people assumed you were tired of travelling so much â Paris, Madrid, Rio de Janeiro and all the other wonderful places you visited as a model. But your work for the poor and underprivileged seems to take you away almost as much. Don't you ever have an urge to stay at home with your husband and the boys? |
AL | The boys are grown up now Max is about to start his gap year and Ricky is training to be a vet. |
DW | Is that because of living in the country? |
AL | Actually, we've never had pets, my husband is allergic. Anyway, the places I'm visiting now couldn't be more different from when I was modelling full time â I haven't given up completely, by the way. As you probably know, I'm involved in a project to educate women in East Africa about the dangers of FGM â |
DW | Could you just explain to our readers? I mean, not in detail â |
AL | Female genital mutilation. I first heard about it from Waris Dirie, when we were working together in New York and I couldn't believe what I was hearing â she's a UN ambassador now, of course. I've also been involved in a very simple scheme in Pakistan, where women have been going blind because of fumes emitted by the cooking stoves they use. I spent a week in a village where they were being taught to use a safer method, and just this one simple thing should be enough to save the sight of thousands of women. I really found it inspiring. |
DW | You've obviously heard some tragic stories. When was the house built? |
AL | What? Oh â we think it must have been 1870 or thereabouts, with later additions. I mean, architecturally it's a bit of a hotchpotch. |
DW | I believe it was once used as a hotel? |
AL | (Laughs) Yes, all the bedrooms are named after flowers. The boys were horrified at having to sleep in rooms called Bluebell and Foxglove â you can imagine! For ages after we bought it, we kept getting phone calls from people who'd stayed here and wanted to make another booking! It needed a bit of work to convert it back to a family house, but of course we kept a lot of the original features. |
DW | Including the servants' bells, I believe? |
AL | That's right, they're in the kitchen. |
DW | Along with an Aga. |
AL | Yes, but it's oil-fired! To be honest, when you see how hard women work in developing countries, it makes you appreciate all the things we take for granted. |
DW | Is that why you've said some quite critical things recently? You're probably aware that some people in the fashion world feel let down. |
AL | (Shakes her head) Let down? I'm sorry if they feel like that, but I never took the fashion world all that seriously. I like nice clothes, but it's hardly |
DW | You have controversial views on cosmetic surgery Is that because of your charitable work? |
AL | Oh, I decided I would never have plastic surgery ages before I even thought of setting foot in Africa. It's one of the reasons I cut down on my modelling work, not wanting to be forced into messing around with my face. Ageing is a natural process â |
DW | Some people would say it's all right for Aisha Lincoln to say that; she's got good genes. |
AL | That may be true, my mother always looked very young for her age. But I also think it's a question of priorities. I haven't got the skin of a nineteen-year-old, obviously, but there are more important things in life. It's hard to get worked up about a few wrinkles when you're on your way back from places where people literally haven't got enough to eat. |
DW | But you did do a rather unusual photo shoot last year for |
AL | Does forty-three seem old to you? (Laughs) My sons are always teasing me about my clothes. They'd be horrified if I suddenly started wearing, I don't know, pearls and a twinset. It's been a while since Fabio was a war photographer, by the way. In recent years he's been doing collages of landscapes and old buildings all over the world. A friend took me to his exhibition in Paris and I just loved them â you'll see one in the dining room, the pictures were taken in Rajasthan and the colours are ravishing. That's how we met, at his private view, and when he suggested photographing me for |
DW | Do you think your foreign background has affected your views? |
AL | I'm English! My mother was Egyptian, but she came to live here before I was born. Her brothers both went to the States, so it's not |
DW | But you're not exactly an English rose! Your looks are often described as exotic. Does that bother you? |
AL | It doesn't bother me, but I was surprised by it at first. |
DW | You've been compared with Iman, David Bowie's stunning wife, who is also a model. |
AL | I've worked with Iman a couple of times, but we're very different. She's from Somalia â like Waris, in fact. I'm Anglo-Egyptian, but much more English than Egyptian. I grew up here and I only know about three words of Arabic, though I'd like to learn more. |
DW | So tell me about your next project, which involves the Middle East, is that right? I'm sure our readers would love to hear about it. |
AL | That's right. After we finished the |
DW | It sounds a bit diferent from your other charity work. |
AL | It is. Some of the royalties will be used to help victims of war â rehabilitation, fitting artificial limbs, that sort of thing. |
DW | When will we be able to see the book? |
AL | That's up to our editor, but I hope some time next year. |
DW | Does it have a title? |
AL | We've had several ideas but none of them is quite right. The working tide is |
DW | And you'll talk to us about your adventures when you get back? |
AL | I'd be delighted. |
DW | Aisha Lincoln, thank you for letting us see your lovely English house and garden. Good luck with your trip. |