Authors: Elizabeth Bishop
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IIIÂ Â Â I don't believe I've read Thoreau's poetry until quite recently, actually, just prose. I agree with what you say, however. At the same time I've always thought one of the most extraordinary insights into the “sea” is Rimbaud's
L'eternite
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    “C'est la mer allée
    Avec le soleil.”
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This approximates what I think is called the “Anesthetic revelation,” (William James?). Two of my favorite poets (not best poets) are Herbert (I've read him steadily almost all my life), and Baudelaire. I can't attempt to reconcile themâbut you are obviously a very clever girl and perhaps you can!
You are probably right about a “sense of loss,” and it is probably obvious where it comes fromâit is not religious. I have never been religious in any formal way and I am not a believer. I dislike the didacticism, not to say condescension, of the practicing Christians I know (but maybe I've had bad luck). They usually seem more or less on the way to being fascists. But I am interested in
religions.
I enjoy reading, say, St. Theresa, very much, and Kierkegaard (whom I read in vast quantities long ago, before he was fashionable), Simone Weil, etc.âbut as far as people go,âI prefer Chekov. I'm appalled by the Catholicism, or lack of it, in this Catholic country, while remaining very interested in the architecture it produced. (In the U S A, for example, it is barbarous & shameless that only now, last year, have the clergy taken the stand on race-relations that they should have taken several centuries ago.) Nevertheless, there have been
some
good Christians! Just the way here in the midst of massive inertia and almost total corruption you occasionally find a real expert at something-or-other, working away unknown, honest and devoted. (The greatest authority on butterflies here was a postman for yearsâand you can't get much lower, hereâand was recognized & given medals, etc. in Europe before Brazil ever heard of him. But please don't get the idea I romanticize such people. They just do come along often enough, in Church or State, or the arts, to give one hope.)
You mention Williams. I may have been influenced by him. I've read him always, of course, and usually like his flatter impressionistic poems best, not when he's trying to be profound. (Of his late poems I do like
Asphodel.
) But that diffuseness is exhausting (like Pound's). Williams had that rather silly language theoryâbut it has just occurred to me (I've been listening to some contemporary music on the hi-fi) that
perhaps
he really made some sort of advance like that made by composers around 1900 or so, and that a new set of rules & regulations might appear, to go on from there, that could make his kind of poetry more interesting and satisfyingâlike “serialization” in music. This isn't exact at allâbut I feel that both he & Pound, and their followers, would be vastly improved if one could lean on a sense of “system” in their work somewhere ⦠(After an hour of W. I really want to go off and read Houseman, or a hymn by Cowper.âI'm full of hymns, by the wayâafter churchâgoing in Nova Scotia, boarding-school, and singing in the college choirâand I often catch echoes from them in my own poems.)
Wallace Stevens was more of an influence, I think. At college I knew “Harmonium” almost by heart. (“Wading at Wellfleet” I believe is the only poem that shows this influence much.) But I got tired of him and now find him romantic and thinâbut very cheering, because, in spite of his critical theories (very romantic), he did have such a wonderful time with all those odd words, and found a superior way of amusing himself. Cummings was often doing the same thing, don't you think?
Now I've lost track of your chapter. WellâI do usually prefer poetry with form to it. I was very much wrapped up in 16th & 17th century lyrics for years (still am, in a way). I spent days in the New York Public Library copying out the songs from masques, etc. (Now you can get them in books, but a great many you couldn't thenâin the 30's.) I also wrote about a dozen strict imitations of Campian, Nashe, etc. while at college (one or two were in that “Trial Balances” book, I think). I do have a weakness for hymns, as I saidâand Cowper's “Castaway,” etc.
But I don't need to give you a list of my eclectic readingâ
You must be right about the Eucharist in “A Miracle for Breakfast.” I had never noticed it myself until a Brazilian, Catholic, of course, translated that poem into Portuguese a few months ago and said the same thing to me.
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IVÂ Â Â I think that is a good point and, from what you say, I agreeâ
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VÂ Â Â This seems to make very good sense, too. It is odd what you say about “optics” in “Love Lies Sleeping,” because I was reading, or had just read, Newton's
“Optics”
about then. (Although again I wasn't aware of this until you pointed it out to me!) (I think the man at the end of the poem is dead.) At the risk of sounding Cocteau-likeâI believe I told you that I did work in the Optical Shop in the Key West Submarine Base for a very short stretch during the war? Cleaning & adjusting binoculars, mostly. I'm sure I told you thisâI liked it, but had to leave because I was allergic to the acids used for clean the prisms.
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VIÂ Â Â That will be hardâmy “contribution”! Because of my era, sex, situation, education, etc. I have written, so far, what I feel is a rather “precious” kind of poetry, although I am very much opposed to the precious. One wishes things were different, that one could begin all over again. One almost envies those Russian poets a bitâwho feel they are so important, and perhaps are. At least the party seems afraid of them, whereas I doubt that any American poet (except poor wretched Pound) ever bothered our government much. But then I remember that in the late 16th century poetry that was even
published
was looked down on; the really good poetry was just handed around. So one probably shouldn't worry too much about one's position, and certainly never about being “contemporary.”
My outlook is pessimistic. I think we are still barbarians, barbarians who commit a hundred indecencies and cruelties every day of our lives, as just possibly future ages may be able to see. But I think we should be gay in spite of it, sometimes even giddy,âto make life endurable and to keep ourselves “new, tender, quick.”
It would take me months to answer your letter properly so I shall send this jumble along. Please ask any questions you want to. Just please don't quote me exactly, however, without telling me?âbecause I think I've put things rather badly. I needn't have bothered you, probably, with so many likes & dislikes. I wish you could take a trip down hereâI'm sure we could cook up lots of interesting notions in a few days.
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Please tell me when you go to England. With all best wishes for the New Yearâwhich was still new when I beganâ
Faithfully yours,
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Elizabeth
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Postcript. I mentioned that the “surrealism of everyday life” was always more successful,âor more amazingâthan any they can think up,âthat is for those who have eyes to see. Yesterday I saw such a good example of what I meant by that and some of my other remarks that I must add it. I went to see O Processoâ“The Trial”âwhich is absolutely
dreadful.
Have you seen it? I haven't read the book for agesâbut in spite of the morbidity of Kafka, etc. I like to remember that when he read his stories out loud to his friends he used to have to stop because he got to laughing so. All the way through the film I kept thinking that any of Buster Keaton's films give one the sense of the tragedy of the human situation, the weirdness of it all, besides being
fun
âall the very things poor Orson Welles was trying desperately to illustrate by laying it on with a trowel. I don't like
heaviness
âin general, Germanic art. It seems often to amount to complete self-absorptionâlike Mann & Wagner. I think one can be cheerful AND profound!â
or, how to be grim without groaningâ
Hopkins's “terrible” sonnets are terribleâbut he kept them short, and in form.
It may amount to a kind of “good manners,” I'm not sure. The good artist assumes a certain amount of sensitivity in his audience and doesn't attempt to flay himself to get sympathy or understanding. (The same way I feel the “Christians” I know suffer from bad mannersâthey refuse to assume that other people can be good, too, and so constantly condescend without realizing it. Andânow that I come to think of itâso do communists! I've had far-left acquaintances come here and point out the slums to me, ask if I'd seen themâafter 12 yearsâhow can I bear to live here, etc â¦)
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44 Porter Street
Watertown, Mass.
January 29, 1964
Dear Elizabeth,
Yes, I did receive your New Year's woodblock. Mark and I like it extremelyâsuch a decorous murder! I was glad to have your note with it since I was beginning to fear that in spite of having registered my letter to you, it had gone astray. Yours arrived with a snow storm about two weeks ago. Then, yesterday, with a second snow storm (I'm beginning to think there must be a connection) your seven page letter! Delighted that you seem to understand and even to like what I still feel is an inchoate mess of ideas. I agree with you in almost everything you say, which makes writing this book a pleasure, and not the burden I first thought it would be. (Agree with your views regarding gaiety and profundity emphatically. I think that is why I liked your poems so much when I first read them. Especially as this view is so unfashionable, or seemingly unfashionable among poets writing today, poets of, alas, my generation who seem to be utterly lacking in perspective. And I feel as you do about writers and literary circles. When I was at Michigan two years ago I knew a lot of literary people, liked them, but felt they never came to terms with anything
except
writing. Terribly limited as people, thought I never felt this about musicians, for instance, or physicists. But then, very few of the musicians or scientists I know read poetry. Very distressful.)
I did keep a carbon copy of my letter to you in October, and I am conscious of having broken my promise. I did mean to send you some parts of my completed manuscript, but, as usual, I did not complete anything to my satisfaction before November and then I had a miscarriage which sent me into a spin of depression (one feels so aware of the fortuitousness of things, like Greeks, at the mercy of fate) so that I could not write anything or read, hardly. Then Christmas and all that Nonsense. The awful dilemma of bringing up a child in this contaminated worldâwell, I won't go on, but I'll ask you to be patient. It's hard to extract poems from the context of what I'm writing. I want to finish the three middle chaptersâon the Artist, Precision and Resonance (I've almost done that one and I like it.) and the problem of ambiguityâbefore I begin on the first, which will be easier. I think, in view of your remarks on “contribution” (and I want to avoid that wordâalso to avoid words like “influence” and “isms” as much as possible. Much better to stick to concrete examples) I'll try to mention your feelings about the need for gay profundity. “Awful but cheerful,” one of your best lines I think. You say you think you are “snobbish” and that your poems are “precious”. Wellâyes, if you mean by snobbish opposed to the mediocrity which is published and published and praised and praised everywhere these days, and by “precious” a kind of dogged determination to express at least what you honestly feel about the world. Being you, you couldn't write like a peasant without being false. Art is always precious, in the other sense, in the sense that it is rare. As you say, circumstances being what they are, one can't pretend that one is natural and primitiveâwhen at least in my case and in the case of everyone in the US, the cities are submerged in coils of super-highway and one plans to visit, by car or by air, places that should, in mood and temperament, be months away. Sorry. I am wandering from the point. (I think, who better to mention the predicament American poets are in, to contrast, as you suggest, to the Russians.)
Since writing that first letter, I have come to feel that my chapter on the artist should include this: that form is a tension in your work between what I should call New England or Yankee earthiness, humor, a reticence, even a penchant for the macabre and a more sophisticated European “modernist” attitude. Perhaps I don't make myself clear. But what you called Transcendentalism sometime back isn't Emerson & CO., but although the Concord people had many qualities of the New England character; what I think you meant, though, is that, in form and in content, your poetry is in some ways very Yankee. For instance, the number of poems about the sea. The way you know
coldness,
everything about it. You seem to take delight in superstition and eerie effects without believingâand yet you believe, too, like Hawthorne and Melville, although you have more humor. The story IN PRISON is Poe-like to me. Written in his style, anyhow. Do you see what I mean? I think there is more truth in this than in the Transcendentalist connection, especially since all of them except Thoreau were naïve optimists of a variety that doesn't grow today (except possibly in the Southern Churches! I once taught in Atlanta, Ga., and I never heard such nonsense as was preached to the respectable parents of my girls.) I have long wanted to write a story based on a sermon I once heard. “The Signposts of Sin.” I never can get the right tone, though.)
I am very glad that you told me so much about your tastes in reading. Yes, Chekov is very fine. Mark gave me a paperback copy of the short stories by Isaac Babel for Christmas; and these are splendid, too. Like Chekov's, but tougher and stronger without sacrifice of nuance. Some of them horrible. You no doubt know these, but if you don't have them I'll send you a copy. Another present, the
Pillowbook of Sei Shonagon,
the diary of a 10th century Japanese court lady, translated with excellent commentary by Arthur Waley, might interest you too. A society so innocent, so literary and so immoral. I was reminded of
Helena Morley,
not because Sei Shonagon resembled her in any way but because the diary has the same duality of innocent self-revelation. She's awfully witty and a good poet too. I'll send you this if you don't have it. (I really
love
sending books to people who like them. So you musn't feel embarrassed.) Another book Mark introduced me to this summer was R. H. Blyth's four volumes on Haiku. A bit repetitious, but excellent on the poetry. Out of the modern “genre” of critical writings. Do you know that? Mark, you see, is so remarkable because he has such a
huge
range of interests and knowledge, (but is not “bookish” in a prideful or harmful way) and is able to see our era as part of a historical spectrum. That's so easy to say, but he really does, so that no fashion sways him. He's difficult to live with sometimes because he is usually right! His criticism of my analytical thinking makes me furious. But I'm grateful, and this book will be good, if it is any good, because of him and you. We are reading J. R. R. Tolkien's “Fellowship of the Ring” to little Caroline Margaret in the evenings after supper. Mark and I both love it, but it's a little beyond Margaret. Do you know that? Epic in its proportions. The supreme fairy tale.